tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post1970555839352498751..comments2023-12-06T01:41:01.494-07:00Comments on Mo Betta META - A Kewl Sleeper Cell of Serial Blog Wreckers: the Masturbatorium - a primerUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-16231197277586854252007-03-28T22:33:00.000-06:002007-03-28T22:33:00.000-06:00I'll say certainly I don't know the right or wrong...I'll say certainly I don't know the right or wrong in it all... my position is currently focussed on the idea that B&T, although upset, is still in command of himself, he chose to put his message publicly, and that saved his life... he didn't seem to want that, but he told his friend enough to allow it, and in his mood perhaps didn't realize that would foil the plan (we hope, I have no real word yet, myself, to say)... and so I default to leaving it up.<BR/><BR/>It was his decision, and it saved him, so hopefully it has a positive spirite to it for these others reading, but if not, and i don't know, I err with B&T, and though I'm against deletion in general, OF COURSE, in this case if he wants it down, my opinion instantly supports that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954284705726600857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-40311891169783066442007-03-28T22:27:00.000-06:002007-03-28T22:27:00.000-06:00catnip, interesting comments, I'll answer more lat...catnip, interesting comments, I'll answer more later I think... but as far as a conduit, I would not ask that of you, but I did mention that the facts, when gotten very wrong, might be of interest in conversations there... or perhaps not.<BR/><BR/>please keep in mind, I appreciate what goes on there, though I far from approve of it all, I have never seen a forum of which I approved of "all"... even "most" is probably rare to never. cheers.<BR/><BR/>thanks for not holding hard feelings by association, you're good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-92225759449094350412007-03-28T15:11:00.000-06:002007-03-28T15:11:00.000-06:00David, trying to have a conversation with you feel...David, trying to have a conversation with you feels like try to swat flies only YOU can see. Somewhere along the line you appear to have become convinced that your perceptions and interpretations of what people say or mean, are the only solid realities that exists in the Universe. Maybe they are, for you. <BR/><BR/>In which case, you are welcome to them: I feel no obligation to attack your choice, and no need at all to defend my opinions or prove to you that my perceptions have equal validity. <BR/><BR/>Which seems to leave us with little to communicate about at all.scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188335833728824972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-78492083428992726972007-03-28T14:03:00.000-06:002007-03-28T14:03:00.000-06:00DB writes" "But you forget to factor into your equ...DB writes" "But you forget to factor into your equation those silent others who pulled back from the edge because of this episode."<BR/><BR/>Incorrect assumption, probably based based on what you perceive as an omission or "flaw" in my comment? I've noticed how eager you are to critique everyones work, and point out what you perceive as flaws in reasoning wherever you can, wherever you possibly can.scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188335833728824972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-29489103289355664012007-03-28T12:41:00.000-06:002007-03-28T12:41:00.000-06:00But it is good always, when we can, to pause to co...<I>But it is good always, when we can, to pause to consider that there is almost always a bigger picture , that may not be appearing in our viewfinders of the moment.</I><BR/><BR/>And while that may be difficult in the frenzy and shock of the moment, I think it takes wise voices like yours scribe to act as a reminder.catniphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10444186590009089070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-1908564188938955232007-03-28T11:33:00.000-06:002007-03-28T11:33:00.000-06:00There will be endless online "psychological autops...There will be endless online "psychological autopsies" of this whole incident. There will be loyalists to everyone involved, endlessly battling with each other flinging insults and labels to and fro. There will many who will use this particular incident as more fuel to add to old fires to "justify" continued flame wars and the continued flailing on the rotting bodies of long dead horses. So the human stew simmers, on and on and on. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, I'm thinking of the silent, unseen others who may have read all of this and said nothing. Those, for example, who have deeply painful issues over those they too lost to suicide, who have had all of that ripped wide open. And wondering about those who may be on the edge of such a desperate act themselves, and how this may have affected them. And thinking about how, in psych nursing, if there was a suicide attempt, sucessful or not, we put all those struggling with depression on elevated watch status, because of increased suicide risk to all after such an event. <BR/><BR/>I am not without compassion for all directly involved in this: nor am I sitting in judgement of anyones choice of actions. I am very glad they got to this young man in time. And I know all about what people 'have every right to do" on the wide open internet..and it's incredible potential to be used for good purpose, including in this case, helping to save one life. <BR/><BR/>I just can't not also think of all the silent others out there, who we could also lose and never know about..because this may have shoved them over some ragged edge, when they perhaps have inadequate face to face supports. Or of the silent suffering it may have also have caused in so many many other lives. Not intentionally at all, I know. We all do the best we can in each unexpected moment we face.<BR/><BR/>And so it all goes: hopefully there is something learned that can be used in times yet to come. But it is good always, when we can, to pause to consider that there is almost always a bigger picture , that may not be appearing in our viewfinders of the moment. <BR/><BR/>And the hope that maybe some people will choose to back off from personal emotional reactions and agendas, to consider this more often both before AND after a genuine "online"crises. <BR/><BR/>This is one POWERFUL MEDIUM from which to act out ones personal life lessons and learnings, with the potential to affect untold numbers of others in both positive AND negative ways. <BR/><BR/>I hope that those who have chosen to wield the biggest online megaphones, pause to remember that the louder the voice, the more it is heard, and the more influence it has.. to spread in both positive AND negative ways. To me, that implies a greater personal responsibility than for those who only read and comment. <BR/><BR/>Which is why I do not choose to run a blog of my own. I do not wish to shoulder that kind of personal responsibility in this powerful a medium, that has such limitations on effective interpersonal communication.scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188335833728824972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-58450806264951976642007-03-28T09:26:00.000-06:002007-03-28T09:26:00.000-06:00catnip, there's a kind of reality-TV feel about th...catnip, there's a kind of reality-TV feel about the on-line suicide attempt at MLW. I don't mean to be unsympathetic, but the internet is really just another medium to place (post!) one's GBCW message. <BR/><BR/>However, in contrast to the other media (written note next to bed, message on answering machine, letter in post, lipstick on mirror etc) we now have a potentially permanent record of the GBCW <I>plus</I> the efforts to intervene and call help to 'save' the person's life.<BR/><BR/>This may or may not be the first on-line suicide attempt. But I'm willing to bet that it will be linked before long from all over the internets as an example - hell, <I>the</I> example, of on-line suicide.<BR/><BR/>I bet it doesn't get deleted from MLW.canberra boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09734968648194160583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-82958019465391163412007-03-27T22:33:00.000-06:002007-03-27T22:33:00.000-06:00online suicide: catnip, at marisa's site you say i...<I>online suicide: catnip, at marisa's site you say if you saw a suicide diary at your blog you would delete it and contact authorities... well, we contacted authorities... but delete? This is an open communication media, you don't know who that is FOR.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes pyrrho, I would have immediately saved it, deleted it and contacted the authorities - as I wrote over at mcat's.<BR/><BR/>Further, the fact that he is now thankfully alive and that the diaries are still up on MLW bothers me. I e-mailed MSOC about that. My concern is the reaction b&t might have as he recovers if he reads them. He'll obviously be in a very fragile state. I know. I've been there. And it seems to me he might appreciate the privacy. I know I would and I wouldn't want to read through the whole cascade of events as it unfolded. I'd be damn embarassed - among many other strong emotions. You'll note that MSOC deleted her dkos diary at the request of mcjoan for the reasons I stated. Besides my personal experience, I've also taken suicide intervention and have had to use those skills a few times. It's never easy.<BR/><BR/>Nothing wrong with an outpouring of love after finding out whether he is dead or alive. I just think the day's frenzy is better left behind to the delete key.<BR/><BR/>If you have a message for people at mcat's, don't expect it to go through me.<BR/><BR/><I>No one at mlw is embarrassed by suicide</I><BR/><BR/>Neither am I. In fact, I think the societal taboo about discussing suicide is extremely harmful. <BR/><BR/><I>I'm sorry again about the dustup at MLW though not involved.</I><BR/><BR/>No need for you to apologize. It had nothing to do with you.<BR/><BR/><I>There are no trolls.</I><BR/><BR/>I'd disagree. I'd say once a person has established a pattern of trolling, they're a troll. I know I'm not a troll so being called one is not going to make me lose sleep at nite. That's the least of my worries, believe me.catniphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10444186590009089070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-26419047448589127702007-03-27T19:35:00.000-06:002007-03-27T19:35:00.000-06:00online suicide: catnip, at marisa's site you say i...online suicide: catnip, at marisa's site you say if you saw a suicide diary at your blog you would delete it and contact authorities... well, we contacted authorities... but delete? This is an open communication media, you don't know who that is FOR.<BR/><BR/>btw, you might want to help the cats fact check from time to time because, um... he posted the photo of himself. HE PUT IT PUBLIC... and it's a bit nuts to think we should over ride that when as far as we know a public display of concern is what was needed, not a fearful silence to avoid undue embarrassment.<BR/><BR/>No one at mlw is embarrassed by suicide, we just want him to survive.<BR/><BR/>I myself do not react to things the way MSOC does, or you, or anyone else, but I am also slow to judge that... I judge the honesty... if someone says they care and they don't, or can't, I judge that, I don't judge "I've been thinking of suicide too, but now I know I can't do that..."<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry again about the dustup at MLW though not involved.<BR/><BR/>it's assinine. you know, trolling is a verb, in fact, from net history, there are no "trolls" just the activity of "trolling" that people sometimes do or even make a full time hobby... but that's a very different frame than this pat demonization. <BR/><BR/>There are no trolls.<BR/><BR/>btw, I read Marisa cat because she has a knack for finding incicive links... and that is the currency of the net, her opinion of me cannot really have much if any bearing on my evaluation of her. I will not cook dinner for someone that doesn't like me... but I will listen to them.<BR/><BR/>cheers.Pyrrhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15820514277738046894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-46217116489379185222007-03-27T13:36:00.000-06:002007-03-27T13:36:00.000-06:00The good ol insomnia hell?..I know it well, althou...The good ol insomnia hell?..I know it well, although it has lessened considerable since I got knocked off the gerbil wheel into early retirement. I finally figured out mine was pretty much stress (accumulated) related. Damned stuff goes on so long it seems "normal" to us, or rather, it did to me anyway.scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188335833728824972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-75990832502412659872007-03-27T12:09:00.000-06:002007-03-27T12:09:00.000-06:00like a bear, eh? tho climate changing has been mes...like a bear, eh? tho climate changing has been messing w/ hibernation patterns<BR/><BR/>I wonder if my recent bouts of insomnia are some kind of empathetic response? ha! (wouldn't mind getting out of this hell tho . . .Arcturushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07060173224625105511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-52265431251744042112007-03-27T11:57:00.000-06:002007-03-27T11:57:00.000-06:00I heard that same rumor. In fact I heard that if i...I heard that same rumor. In fact I heard that if it can't walk, it will crawl, and if it can't crawl anymore, it simple curls up and hibernates till it gets it's strength back.scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188335833728824972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-22726175662962635822007-03-27T10:36:00.000-06:002007-03-27T10:36:00.000-06:00I suppose snorting coffee would get the caffeine i...I suppose snorting coffee would get the caffeine in th blood stream quicker, but won't be trying it anytime soon. <BR/><BR/>Rumor has it Hope lives to walk another day . . .Arcturushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07060173224625105511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-28021268499680289152007-03-27T10:15:00.000-06:002007-03-27T10:15:00.000-06:00I understand that shooting coffee out one's nose h...I understand that shooting coffee out one's nose has definite health benefits. It clears out debri and wakes up all the little nose hairs so they are therebymuch more alert and able to capture nasty little germs before they can get into the sinus cavities and travel from there into our brains.scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11188335833728824972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32065791.post-11324997419542672722007-03-27T04:53:00.000-06:002007-03-27T04:53:00.000-06:00Thanks for the first chuckle of the day. As i get...Thanks for the first chuckle of the day. As i get up to make coffee and feed the gatos.<BR/><BR/>The small yapping dog known online as DavidByron sitting in the thread to a post about a masturbatorium that mentions the erzatz coffee sanka<BR/><BR/>How appropriate.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2007/02/22/banned/" REL="nofollow">This</A> too is a big chuckle.<BR/><BR/>Apparently not even your own kind wanted to keep you.<BR/><BR/>I made short shrift of you, you somehow think you were ever allowed to post at mcat. Your two comments were held in moderation and moved to spam. Then dumped.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10316827436089062499noreply@blogger.com