Saturday, September 09, 2006

The big surprise!

Did you hear that two massive corporations with ties to Republicans are airing a piece of propaganda commercial free on 9/11 that blames the whole thing on Clinton?

Oh for fucks sake, this is a surprise to our friends on the left? Really? Man, that's what fascist regimes do... propaganda. Hell, the entire past 5 years have been one massive psy-ops campaign with the support of the Democrats (exceptions being Conyers, etc.).

The country was lost in December 2000 when American citizens did not take to the streets to defend their Constitution. Everything that's been done since then is predictable and most certainly NOT surprising.

Come on now, no one anticipated that Karl would have a trick up his sleeves for the 2006 mid-terms? And of course that trick would involve 9/11? HELLO??? HAS NO ONE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS?

Whining on blogs and sending money to pseudo-liberal candidates has gotten the "progressive movement" exactly what in the last 5 years?


But at least everyone has something to do IN THIS MOMENT, for the SHORT TERM, to feel like they're helping to take their country back... they can send an angry letter to Disney and ABC... and watch while it's still aired, becomes an even bigger phenom due to all the other networks coverage of the "drama unfolding", and watch those other networks distort the truth enough that it will seem like the Dems are just trying to cover for the incompetence of Clinton.

Bet on it.


DuctapeFatwa said...

I don't know, spiderleaf. 2000 will certainly be forever a moment not seized, a road not taken, but the fact that the ground was so fertile for it to take place at all would seem to indicate that something essential had already been lost for quite some time.

In a way, it seems to me that it is not unlike the subject of Palestine, where each generation believes that the crucial shark was jumped during their time. Sykes-Picot was also a road not taken, a moment not seized, one can blame the relative innocence and naivete of the times, I suppose, but not very credibly, as rich men have always wished to be richer, and there are those among us who cannot honestly claim ever having had a moment of amazement at that revelation.

Regarding the US, it is always easy to say that collective bargaining never logically progressed, was never really seized by the people in the way that it should have been, too few people listened to Malcom X and so on and so on, and who among us has not heard some Generation X-er of Zer or something ruefully and unbudgeably assert that the defining moment was the day during the Reagan years that they stepped over a homeless person sleeping on a grate because if they arrived late to their meeting, they might not get the promotion, or the raise, or the job, or the partnership, something that would help them sustain the illusion that they would never sleep on that grate. And since no lightbulb appeared over their heads, the country was lost.

But I digress. I suppose the best strategy for the Democrats, if they wish to rebut the material you refer to, is to point out that Clinton bombed Afghanistan very robustly.

spiderleaf said...

I agree with you about the ultimate cause not being 2000, but that in my mind was the watershed moment when the chance to break free of the propaganda and actually defend democracy and their constitution was possible and crucial to prevent the total slide into fascism.

And yes, that would be a good strategy for the Dems... Hilary will probably get on board regime change in Iran just to prove she always had more cajones than Bill...

spiderleaf said...

On second thought though.... I wonder if Gore would have turned out the same if he hadn't spent the last 5 years in the wilderness... probably same shoe, different colour.

NLinStPaul said...

I've had a strange confluence of events the last few days. As the blogoshpere has been hyped about the ABC lie-o-rama, I finally rented and watch the movie "V for Vendetta." And then a few days later, took the time to watch the BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares" (which can be viewed at - sorry I don't know how to do links here).

What this documentary makes clear by showing the history of both the neocon and islamist movements is the culture of fear that has been created out of whole cloth that so closely resembles the plot of "V for Vendetta."

Just as one small example, the documentary points out that it was the FBI and an "informer" who was trying to save his skin from prison for fraud that invented the name "Al Qaeda" after the first bombing of the World Trade Center. They show that Osama didn't really have a "network of terrorists," but what he did have was $ and a few militants who had joined him initially in trying to fight back against the dictators in their own countries. So, we have invented the whole idea of a terrorist network called Al Qaeda and now just might have created the possibility for the very thing.

Anyway, that is just one small piece of an overwhelming portrayal by BBC that makes this ABC junk look so over the top that I can't really even figure out how to engage.

DuctapeFatwa said...

2000 may be when a watershed window closed, or maybe it is only when many of us were obliged to sadly acknowledge that it had closed, or rather refuse to accept that it had. I stand among the guilty in that regard, as my ravings and rantings in recent years on the internets will attest.

I did not want to acknowledge it, and I am neither an American nor young enough to have any excuse except that I did not WANT that window to have closed, I wanted some Spielbergian moment to occur, some miraculous Reform Movement to materialize out of nothing, and all the young people to play that old Scorpions song while safely and humanely escorting the warlords off to the Hague and liberating Wal-Mart warehouses.

But of course that was the utterly fantastic and unrealistic hope of a foolish old man, and nothing could stop the "juggernaut," and so today we find ourselves here in the fullness of The Situation, awaiting the inevitable each in our own way. I am watching Finola Hughes preside over the efforts of three well-meaning but aestheticsensibly challenged individuals to cause a lady who looks like a bus station skank to upgrade her look to that of a bus station skank adorned with designer labels.

spiderleaf said...

Hey NL, CookTing and I started watching the documentary last night and will finish up this eve (thanks to your link on BooMan). As DTF notes, the process began a long time ago and it is so very hard at this point to see if there is a way to reverse the inevitable flow that is engulfing America (and the world by proxy). I think the only thing that would do any good at this point is a general walk out, strike, and sit in. Refuse to participate in the capitalist dream society until it is no longer run by blood thirsty and power mad traitors. Even that may not produce all the desirable results, but it would be the only hit that may institute change -- a financial one.

Well Ductape, enjoy Finola, me personally I'm planning on watching the CBC's answer to "The Path to 9/11" -- they're showing "The Secret History of 9/11" and "9/11: Toxic Legacy"... well, that and play playstation tiger woods golf.

DuctapeFatwa said...

You have incited me to reflect, spiderleaf, so you must now endure the consequences ;)

When we consider the determined and assiduously cultivated faith with which the overwhelming majority of Americans cling to Washington's official version of the 911 events, so extreme is this practice, especially for a society that presents itself to the world as a grass roots, question-everything democracy, so extreme is this practice that the few who do dare to question even the most innocuous of peripheral details of the events themselves are at best dismissed as crackpots, or "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" as the meme goes, and in some cases accused by the warlords of "threatening the state." Which is not as absurd as it sounds, reasonable folk would hope that should that overwhelming majority be dusted with magic questioning powder, that there would indeed be some sort of action taken, and the "frog-march" meme be made manifest over a much wider field than even its most hopeful and "progressive" employers dare imagine.

So perhaps I am not reasonable folk. Even if someone found a videotape of the warlords themselves sitting around a table with charts and graphs and model planes, a model WTC, guffawing at an intern photoshopping a photo of Osama bin Laden and laying bets regarding projected debris field and "casualties," I am not sure that we would see that big "general strike."

And if the release of the tape were rebutted by a speech by any of the warlords, even the increasingly unappealing Bush, to the effect that the war on terror is a very different kind of war, and those who seek to use US covert operations in this very different kind of war as propaganda intended to weaken America's Resolve to Prevail against the Enemy Who Lurks, with the terms "radical Islamists" and "chilling message" worked in at least two or three times, topped off by a sprinking of "Israel has the right to defend itself," what the American public would demand would be the immediate arrest and swift and rigourous punishment for the traitor who had released the tape.

A country in the hands of its people, an actual grass roots democracy is undeniably "hard work." If it were not, we would see at least a dozen countries being "taken back" every day.

There is no question that in its way, the North Korea model is, incredible as it sounds, actually easier on the citizenry.

Incredible, that is, until one contemplates the sheer difficulty, for the average person of any nationality, of maintaining a democracy, day in and day out. Even divided among 300 million brains, 600 million hands, it's a daunting task.

It is easier by far to close one's eyes and believe, to go out into the night with one's fellow citizens, not to storm the palace, but to hold aloft a candle and chant "USA is Numbah ONE!"

In short, while we have all been wailing and raving for years about how the Americans should "take their country back," perhaps we have been operating under a comforting but inaccurate assumption.

Perhaps we are projecting our own attitudes, opinions, and beliefs onto a culture that simply does not share them.

Perhaps they do not want it back.

CookTing said...

Well didn't the world have that smoking-gun moment when the Iran-Contra proceedings were aired on television? hell, if i counted all the missed opportunities where 'the people' let the warlords off the hook, I'd have a hard time keeping it down to one hand. it seems that once people are committed, deep down, to a certain path; when they make that decision in life to join the team, no amount of reasoning or evidence will break that trust and remove that steadfast support that is so willing to forgive and forget a little atrocity or ten.

I don't think there was a failure to organize labour on a grand enough, and honest enough, scale. Rather, I think that 'the state' cultivated the development of the labour movement into a pattern where the most committed and active social democrats became joined at the teat to the industrial-military oil machine. No movement ever developed which actually put forth an immediately implementable alternative course of action which could provide the support and sustenance that The System does for the masses. Even as it sucks them dry.

catnip said...

You won't see a general strike or a labour uprising. That evokes shades of the dreaded communism monster that many still fear. And, beyond that, as Father Bush reminds everyone every chance he gets the US is a civilized nation and mass expressions of dissent are just so, well, 'uncivilized'. Just look at how immigrants and their supporters were tarred and feathered by the right-wing when they held their protests.

There is no passion in America (or Canada for that matter) on a large scale. There is anger in America but that's handled by writing letters, writing on blogs, grumbling to ones friends and those other so-called civilized ways of expressing uncomfortable emotions - including developing addictions to drugs, alcohol, food, gambling and whichever other escape there may be to choose from. It's collective neuroses and, ironically, if you can't afford health care in the US, there's no therapy available. On and on it goes and the dysfunctional government keeps on winning. How depressing.

Janet said...

I think for so many - it's easier to be angry and ignorant than it is to become aware and find solutions.

I no longer can trust in the lines of "Home of the Free & the Brave"... it's clear that we Home of the Lazy and Apathetic.

Still out on the streets...

I'd rather die in the streets marching against this regime than live forever not doing what I could for Peace.

CookTing said...

I refuse to believe that all hope in humanity should be lost. But there's a danger of heartbreak in being too hopeful about seeing positive change come about to topple the corruption of the status quo. I think this quote is quite relevant to the juxtaposition of catnip's comment and mine.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

spiderleaf said...

I'd rather die in the streets marching against this regime than live forever not doing what I could for Peace.

This is why I adore you Janet... :)

In all seriousness though, that I believe is a fundemental flaw (or design, take your pick) of western capitalistic societies. We think we have more than we actually do, or our priorities over what we actually have to lose are so skewed as to be nonsensical. It means more to hang on to your satellite-enabled Plasma screen then your right to free speech or assembly? And that I think is a fundamental difference between North America (well, actually on 2/3 of N. America, Mexico excluded... they still know how to stand up for themselves) and Ukraine for example. The Ukrainians have nothing BUT their freedom and they sure as hell aren't going to sell it for a few Yankee dollars or a new contract with the Ruskies.

We are a victim of our own 'success' I guess... and it's so much easier to be apathetic and/ or bitchy than it is to stand on the street corner and make people pay attention day after day.

supersoling said...

I think that we've fallen for the story of greatness that we've been filled with. With such a superiority complex the wires don't connect, or as DTF would say, that's a file not found. It could never register that our country's been hijacked and that something needs to done about it. Let alone realize that it's WE who needs to be doin the doin. For too many of those who do realize everything's not as it should be, there's a naive hope that the democrats are gonna save us....if we can only get them enough money, canvass those neighborhoods just a little more energetically. Get out the vote! That's just a small part, and that's banking on a fair system. A myth.

Janet said...

Well I adore you too Spidey!

As Janis belts it out... "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"... and many are too afraid they will lose their Monday Night Football or worse... they won't get more crap which will mean they have to get storage to store all their other crap to make room for more crap when they have a Crap Sale.

America is anything but free.

That is why we know this "war" isn't about fighting for freedom, because they are taking freedom away from us here as well as other places.

Mr Regime Puppet,

If this is all about freedom, then why are you taking it all away?


Up Yours...
Cause I've got nothing left to lose....

Arcturus said...

Cookting: Iran-contra? bingo! 1980 is when I mark the demise of possibility. I suppose it took them another 20 years to consolidate that.

The brouhaha over this docudrama will quickly pass.

spiderleaf said...

The brouhaha over this docudrama will quickly pass

That arcturus is precisely the problem. Everything quickly passes from Iran-contra on back... My Lai? A few bad apples. Chile? Fuggedaboutit. And so on ad infinium.

I guess my whole point about the 2000 election being the watershed moment where change could actually be affected and the brainwashing held in check is that it was so blatantly a violation of the Constitution and the principle of one person, one vote that I really thought there was no way the indoctrination was so complete to override that criminal act.

Never underestimate the ability of humans to go with faith over reason any day of the week I suppose.

Janet said...

Putting it in a made for tv movie for most is the same as it being written in stone sadly.

Course the world is flat - just as God made it... and no amount of conspiracy theorizing is ever gonna change that...


Janet said...

Have you guys seen that Greg Palast was arrested????


catnip said...

Journalists are dangerous! Unlike politicians. ;)

Janet said...

Yep, kinda like that freedom stuff citizens are always clammering about.

Rummy Sez: Don't they know - You get the freedoms you're allowed not the ones you have or want.

or something like that...

I adore Greg Palast. My husband reads his stuff constantly. He was here in Portland recently.

NLinStPaul said...

My mom and dad have been in town from Texas over the last couple of days. In case anyone hasn't heard yet, they're part of the kool-aid drinking crowd, so it will take me a few days to de-compress from having to spend time around them. I've learned that its best to just keep my mouth shut and hope its all over as quickly as possible.

Last night at dinner, they started talking South American politics (we lived in Peru for the first 7 years of my life and my dad still has "business" there.) In talking about Chavez in Venezuela, my dad said something about how scary it was that Chavez could just re-write the constitution. I really needed someone sane to talk to about that moment, because I just had to swallow the need to say something about the setting aside of the US consitution, not to mention international law that has happened in this country. You want American exceptionalism??? The blindness is overwhelming.

supersoling said...

Can I come for dinner tonight? I'll step up! :o) Kinda even up the odds?

I can't imagine what that must be like. My own family(extended) is generally liberal, with some in laws more moderate. But even the couple of repubs in my wife's family are aware of what's happening, and not happy about it. In fact they all voted democrat in 04. Why do feel it's better to keep quiet? Are they that hard to put up with? Especially in (I'm assuming) your own home?

Janet said...

ACKKKK Kick em out Nancy and have us over for din din :) I'll bring the pink drinks and cookies. :)

From the person related to people who think that people who protest such a "great man like Bush" should be "shot in the head in public".

NLinStPaul said...

SS and Janet - Its people like you who live in my head at those times and keep me sane!! Dinner with you all - anytime/anywhere!!

Its hard to explain why I keep quiet with them tho. Maybe some of it is that, having lived in that mindset for almost 30 years, I know a lot about what it takes to maintain. A fundamentalist lives their life holding fast to a house of cards. Its why they are so fearful of any questions. Deep down they know that if you pull out one card and begin to question it, the whole thing might collapse. If I thought engaging with them might make that happen - I would do it in a heartbeat. But they hold so fast, that its not likely anything will change. All discussion will do is end the relationship completely. And at least until now, I've decided that's not worth it.

There is a part of me that is beginning to think that I might be better off just not being around them though. As things get worse in the world, my tolerance for them goes down. I'm noticing that these days it takes me several days to get over the toxicity that I feel after being around them. I know I'm not the only one that has that experience with their family - but it is sad.

scribe said...

Yes, it is sad, Nancy. I miss what I might have been able to have had with my original family too, if only we didn't come from different planets, or so it seemed. But eventually, I had to pretty much leave them out of my life. The cost it exacted from me to be around them got just too high. Hope you are shaking off the after effects ok..

catnip said...

Me too, scribe. (Good to see you). To paraphrase Rummy as well: you come into life with the family you have, not the family you wish you had. And, sometimes, you just have to find a new family if things are intolerable. Yes, it is sad, but we have the right to have people in our lives who support and accept us.

DuctapeFatwa said...

It is with great sadness that I am obliged to express the opinion that NL's instincts are not only correct, but also prudent on both counts: Keeping one's conversations firmly focused on flowers and dogs, and even mo betta, keeping oneself apart from the friends or family members involved.

It is the middle of World War III, and if one's attitudes, opinions and beliefs, not to mention activities, place one in a high-risk group, one cannot be over-cautious, nor can one assume that family ties will trump loyalty to the Homeland or Resolve to Prevail over the Enemy that Lurks. Especially if one is, in fact, one of those lurking Enemies.

Thankfully, the internets allow communication between kindred lurking enemy spirits. Knowing you all is one of the greatest privileges life has conferred upon me.

Arcturus said...

Oddly enough, I had my yearly 10 minute convo w/ my father the other week (a man I'm convinced the last repub he didn't vote for prez would've been B Goldwater), and even he expressed the opinion that W wuz 'the worst prez since Warren Harding -- & he was just a thief' - words that offered me the fleeting hope that mebbe, jes' mebbe, the total slide into FascistUSA might yet be avoidable ...

as 'they' say, we'll see

Janet said...

I dunno Ductape, no matter how I lived my life, my family felt I was going to hell. Cut my bangs, listen to Jewish folksinger, daughter of divorced parents... hell, I have friends who are gay AND black... heaven forbid.

These people were never around anyways, just there to criticize and cluck their tongue in judgement.

I'd rather live my life as a FREE person than hide in someone else's shadow. If I'm going to hell because I'm not their religion or fill in the blank... I might as well try to live in peace outloud while I can. I'm damned if I do; damned if I don't.

I will not be terrorized.
I will not be silenced.
I will remain free.
I will not be a slave.

(not saying others are if they CHOOSE to keep the boat from rocking within their own seas) :)

And... I looked at my diary in BT and I dunno... I've had people scream at me, call me names and then turn and be all sweet before... been there done that.

Tomorrow I'll be with Veterans for Peace. Cradled in the arms of sanity and integrity.

SuperSoling, I emailed you news from UFPJ, dude. Looks like you guys are "free" to march at the UN. Go kick their ass!!!!

DuctapeFatwa said...

Miss Janet, you are far from damned, cradled as you are, in your own words, "the arms of sanity and integrity."

Thank you for having the courage to take up those arms, lately I have pondered the fact that the development of a culture takes time, when we consider the cultures of the ancient lands, millennia in the making. Within such a context, the tragic direction US culture has taken is perhaps, only to be expected, and were it not for the concurrent development of weapons technology, could be merely sniffed and sighed at.

But there are always, it seems, "were it nots" and wouldashouldacouldas, leering mockingly at us, we who are obliged to live in the "is" dimension, ever striving for that fine balance between hope and recognition of practical reality.

The singularly unappealing nature of the persona of Mr. Bush is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, one welcomes the opening of that questioning door, but on the other one is aware that the rejection of a persona is not the rejection of policy.

It is heroes like you who keep us on the side of hope. :)

supersoling said...

Thanks Janet,
Yeah, I saw that. Email is a hassle for me right now becouse I had to go to dial up temporarily. But, something doesn't seem right about the NYPD's flip-flopping. Why would they do that? I doubt that they backed down because we planned to march in spite of their denial of a permit. Hmmm, smells like a setup. Cool!!

Hey, I'd love to plant a boot on Bush's ass :o)

Janet said...

I've been called names, had things thrown at me... people saying that I hate the troops... lost friends...

Yesterday I got to hear "BOHICA" (from DailyKos and Veterans for Peace) sing folk songs and play his guitar. His eyes close mostly as he sings, with his face right up to the microphone. His army green field jacket on and the pins of peace and love.

I've been screamed at.. .but I can hear the warriors of Peace sing.

NLinStPaul said...

I was out of town over a long weekend with another "family" at my book group's annual fall retreat, so I missed a lot of the discussion above. Thanks for all the insight everyone.

Being with these 4 "warrior women" for a few days was an amazing boost. We range in age from mid 50's to mid 60's. Had an absolutely marvelous discussion about life dreams that have not and are likely to not come true. Lots of tears shed and healing happening. And on the other end of the continuum, a night out dancing to a live rendition of "Mustang Sally" and laughing our "you know what's" off.

I am truly blessed - and grateful.