Now this is comical. BooMan , on his FP is advocating this guy doesn't go to jail for weapons sales because he went to high school with him? See, he really does think the rules should apply to everyone else but his friends. People are still listening to this guy? Lots of commenters took him to task for it though.
How does one post a flippin link over here? Sorry, when in the comment section I cannot get the copy/paste funtion to work. How come?
Seems there are some folks who, no matter what room they wander into, are driven by a compulsion to say or to do something that just screams "HEY!! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME "PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"
It's like some folks need to make everything "about them" as much as possible, whatever it takes.
Frankly, DB, that's what your behaviors here look like to me, as someone who has little to no knowledge of you before meeting you here.
Or are you just a shit-stirrer by choice because it's fun?
Hi canberra boy! Please check your e-mail. Thanks.
Since this is an "open" thread, I guess I should be open about something. Hmmm...let's see. Okay. I know. I find peeps fascinating. Caution: that site has pics of peep torture. Save the peeps!
In my practice as a psych nurse, the patients with that that diagnoses were the ones we dreaded getting the most. Tough, very tough to work with, as the capacity for compassion and empathy for others is usually just not there, and there is little to no fear of the consequences of any of their own behaviors. But not everyone who acts that way at times is truly a sociopath either..
DB, it would help your case if you didn't lie. You had one post deleted because it crossed the line into sexual fantasies that you obviously can't help expressing. Other than that your hyperbole and nonsense still stands in the comments.
Try again (which we know you will 'cause you just can't help yourself and looooove the sound of your own keyboard evidently).
DB writes: "But then if you'd done that you might have known the truth; better to just slag me off like everyone else. Safer."
The truth is, DB, I am not ready to "slag you off". I do my best to make up my own mind about people I meet, based on one my own observations/interactions with them, not other peoples. Anything you are hearing from me is based on what I see of you here. (at least thats what I am aiming for anyway.) You seem to have attained perfection (in you own mind,) but I know am still a work in process and can be wrong sometimes, which bothers me not at all. Plus, I wasn't even involved in any of the history between you and others here so am not interested in it.
So! If you want to stop with the snide insults toward me, or me as a feminist, and have a real conversation, I'll be happy to stop insulting you and judging your stance as misogynist until you show it to be so in your interactions with me. You interested in that?
Now this is comical. BooMan , on his FP is advocating this guy doesn't go to jail for weapons sales because he went to high school with him? See, he really does think the rules should apply to everyone else but his friends.
And when someone asked "Why should we care again?" (or something along those lines), his response was "Because he's my friend". Sooooo, by that logic, if he went to school with Scooter Libby we should be hoping for a pardon?
Spidey...I am so flabbergasted by what he writes at times. I have been banned(after asking for my account to be removed which he refuses to do because it is too much work)but it took three days to talk MilitaryTracy into leaving and her asking him to remove her posting abilities so she wouldn't be tempted to post. He claims he banned me because I said he was wrong. He claims I publicly called him a liar on Dkos. I NEVER did that. I could give two shits about being banned. It's just the fucking hypocrisy of it all. What a bunch of crap.
Now, on his frontpage he writes aboutanother one of his poor psycho friends being misunderstood by the police. He hopes his friend doesn't go to jail for having weapons hidden in false bottom spaces in his car? Am I missing something? Bad News? For whom? Not the public that is for sure. Lock the guy up and throw away the key. And his girlfriend is all freaked out because she thinks someone is stalking him? Look who his friends are for cripes sake. End of rant.
It's the DOJ thread and he admits he banned her for a short while because he was feeling "peevish"? WTF? This guys traffic is going downhill fast. Look at the meter. Hasn't been over 5000 in awhile now. pretty soon it will be Martin and his girlfriend CG. What a joke.
Pleased to meet you (ms xeno), hope ya know my name...
I was this close to quoting Midnight Oil's "Surfing With A Spoon," just because it was the first Australia-related thought that popped into my aging brain. Then I looked up Canberra and saw that it was inland. :o
So never mind. [passes around box of little Cherry Ripe bars]
"I'll be happy to stop insulting you and judging your stance as misogynist until you show it to be so in your interactions with me. You interested in that?"
They call me a misogynist to shut down my criticism of feminism as anti-liberal. It's the same way Zionists tend to throw around accusations of anti-semitism.
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Robin's attempt to say women's lives are in danger from a ban on abortion is silly. They are only in danger if women choose to break the law and attempt to kill a human (from the perspective of the pro-lifers). You should be only as sympathetic to such a woman as to a man in the present day who takes a baseball bat to his unborn child's mother's stomach in an attempt to induce an illegal abortion.
And although I am sympathetic to such a man -- since he lacks any power over his own life and his only possible way to prevent becoming a parent is assault -- I doubt many feminists would have sympathy for the "backstreet abortions" that their own policies have forced into existence.
Posted by: DavidByron | August 30, 2005 at 08:49 PM
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Typical David Byron screed, excuse me... critique, from here.
Uhuh. 'Mudge you posted this before but yuou couldn't say what exactly about it is incorrect as an analysis. You are displaying authoritarian irrationality.
No. I haven't. You are displaying poor reading comprehension.
What thehell happened to the IGNORE tactic? You keep responding to this asswipe, he will keep fucking TYPING.
If you ignore him, EVENTUALLY, he goes away. Honest.
Just Do. Not. Respond.
I know it's hard. I know, I know. Believe me, I know. But it's the only way, short of banning. I banned the fucksnot. HAD to. You guys don't ban -- swell -- but whoa, you're going to encourage these diatribes?
DB I've just been reading along, interested in trying to discern for myself, what it is you are trying to accomplish here and I can't quite figure it out. I see you don't seem to care for authoritarian thought or behaviors. Yet I read your own words and see:
"I have to hold SV to a high standard because I associate with her politically. Do you understand? I could say "I only do it from love" but that's not a very good way of putting it. I criticize most those who I have the highest expectations from."
That sounds pretty authoritarian to me! in fact if I didn't know better, I'd think DB was God himself, who had signed onto Mo Betta to judge us all and make mighty pronouncements from on high!
So I ask you: since you seem quite aware that your communication style has not exactly won you lots of friends and followers, :)..what is your actual motive for coming over here and posting? (Rather than assume I know, I am asking you directly.)
...what is your actual motive for coming over here and posting?...
It's like that old X-men story arc with Illyana and the demon Belasco. Every time DB gets banned from another space, a mystical bloodstone is added to the collection in his magikal locket. Once he collects enough of them, he "ascends to a glorious destiny," and world rule. I think Satan throws in a set of dishes and a generous 401K, too. Somewhere in the fine print.
DB I've just been reading along, interested in trying to discern for myself, what it is you are trying to accomplish here and I can't quite figure it out.
Actually scribe, I think I have a handle on it. He needs negative attention from powerful women; craves it in fact.
I suggested that he go find a professional dominatrix instead, because blogging doesn't pay me enough to verbally abuse him to his satisfaction. He came over here instead. Lots of powerful women here to tell him he's been a bad, bad, boy.
His internet history is awash with his disruptions of feminist and feminist leading boards. Notice how needs to paint us all as authoritarian. That way he can picture us in black leather snapping a riding crop. It's his little fantasy life and he doesn't want to have to pay for it.
Ok. I read all of that twice, and I still don't have a clear answer (that "I" can understand anyway,) to my simple, honest question: what ARE your motives for posting here? I've heard a lot about what others think it is, and I hear you saying what you think is wrong with this place and all of us..but I still don't know..from YOU, DB... why you are choosing to post here. (If you asked ME that question, I could answer it pretty simply and I would.) I am honestly curious to know yours.
well...SHIT!! ! Had a long one all written and then,somehow it disappeared. damn. And now I have to go tend to some 3d matters and have no time to rewrite the whole thing. (It takes me awhile to write anyway as I have some nerve damage in my hands) I'll get back to this later..altho perhaps this conversation should be taken to emial so as to not take up so much space here?
NOBODY surpasses Ductape IMO. He is one of a kind in my experience. Ok. The "glo" was because I signed up for the google account thing to get rid of having to do those stupid word things, and technodunce that I am, it took me awhile to figure out how to get my own name off there. The eyes were fixed by cataract surgery, thank for asking:) I used to write at dkos and after that, at BooTrib and a variety of other sites, intermittently.
I enjoy responding to topics that interest me, and writing my own stories (most from life experiences and learnings) when and if I feel like it, but do not wish to be obligated to any schedule or external obligation to write for anyone. Plus I have no interest in becoming a well known "name" anyway. I just enjoy interacting with interesting folks of all generations on line and writing for the simple joy of it: a sort of an old itinerant storyteller who is fascinated with human beings of all kinds, how and why we are as we are, and how we can keep from wanting to kill each other.
I also firmly believe, because of the proof of it I've seen over and over, that most of the conflict and misunderstanding between human beings is due to an inability to truly communicate with each other, and that with effort, (and a lot of it,) this can be learned to the benefit of all concerned, **IF a degree of shared willingness is present. Its just not all that hard: less "talk and less worship of relentless rational "logic", and more listening from some place of truly wanting to understand each other better. Note: I said "understand," not necessarily "agree." (Which people who are stuck in a black and white, right or wrong style of dualistic thought processing are just are no good at at all.)
For example, you and me. On the surface of it all, there's no chance in HELL you and I could ever learn how to communicate effectively, much LESS ever, ever come to like each other! It is in fact, very rare for me to engage in conversation with any man (or woman) who "comes across" as you do in communication style and comments about women in general From my experience, it is usually a waste of my energy. But my intuition tells me there is more to you than meets the eye and I trust my intuitive process more and more, the older I get. Time will tell. :)Thank you for the other positive feedback. More later when I can get back online..regarding that lost response.
Well, I'll say one thing: no one has ever said this place was dull! :)
I didn't know about that amulet collection angle, ms xeno. That's quite intriguing. I imagine usenet's infamous Meow Brigade must be well stocked with such jewellery. They are, after all, masters in the art of trolling.
I think Satan throws in a set of dishes and a generous 401K, too. Somewhere in the fine print.
What's funny is that, if the "10 Random User Blogroll links" is truly "random", eventually both MBM and Marisacat will be front-page blogrolled on the Big Orange.
Looks like my diary today about primarying the Blue Dogs has ruffled some feathers.
No surprise there. I don't know why anyone who claims to be a lefty defends them. Then again, those who do aren't lefties at all.
What's funny is that, if the "10 Random User Blogroll links" is truly "random", eventually both MBM and Marisacat will be front-page blogrolled on the Big Orange.
I hadn't thought of that, you subversive, you! I wonder how long it will take the powers that be to address that "glitch". ;)
I am much more interested in how fast you caved on Patrick Murphy. Who is not just a Blue Dog but also a New Dem... you know: with Tauscher and Artur Davis.. and so on.
Bowers at Mydd sold him hard, as did Martin at BMT... they swore LOL they all knew him, he was buds with them all, first name basis with Philly Bloggers... worked with Adam B, etc. Then they play shocked he is a blue dog. Then say it does not matter. He is not "really" one. Jsut does that for political cover.
For years they told us, [laugh now] that only Philadelphia and inner burbs could handle a progressive... and where does PM hail from... [laugh again, Phildelphia voting district]
Murphy can b a r e l y get himself to call the war "flawed". Recent Countdown appearance. Would never never never vote to defund, nor vote for much that would not fly well in Alabama.
I have decided most rank and file Dems, online with some rote google skills (I consider myself a lousy googler), WANT to be taken in... and vote for the deluge. Which by the way is a deluge of blood.
Marisacat: I could have written a diary about centrist Dems in general, in which case the list would have been much longer. But it was about the war in Iraq, and, particularly, about the Blue Dogs who have managed to block even the conciliatory "hard benchlines" legislation. So, provided with evidence that Murphy supported this legislation, I removed his name from the list.
If you have not caught it, watch the Obey hallway encounter. By Monday the transcript from the military mother's appearance on Tweety will be avaiable.
She is very clear, from her many hours on the Hill, the Dems are only really worried about 08, they do not get behind defunding the war and thus CANNOT get the votes. What you do not fight for, you will not get. And that Obey pelosi and others are "hushing people up" and mouthing R talking points.
I will be posting it Monday.
That fluff and nonsense bill with Obama and Murphy and etc., is war weary window dressing in order to do exactly what Adam B did.... slap down the hinterlands, should they dare to chirp..
And nothing more.
No wonder Adam B wants to do Dem party retail online whip work / political work. It is so easy.
Marisacat: Well, if I go back to my diary and explain to everyone how Murphy, on the one hand, is reluctant to even deem the war "flawed" and, on the other hand, has co-sponsored legislation that would be even more effective than the August '08 measures that are being bandied about, the contradiction will quickly be torn to shreds. You have to understand that the diary comes from a position of wanting the troops out now, but grasping for even the slightest indication that the Dems are interested in withdrawal before the next election. It is the fact that even this mildest of measures is being blocked that has provided the opening for the turning of even loyalist mindsets, and your argument would provide me scant traction at DK. Not that I really think any minds were turned by my efforts.
tipsy, I'm allergic to orange, so haven't read yr diary - but that won't sto me from trhowing in my $0.02
at some point one has to realize that grasping for even the slightest indication leaves one w/ nothing but hot air in hand - how many dunes does one have to climb to realize that the lovely oasis oe'r yonder is but another mirage?
these propsals aim to reduce US casualties (hopefully) & troop #'s, all the while CONTINUING THE WAR base closures anyone? don't hold yr breath . . .
their line is: the bluedawgs are in vulnerable districts; the liburals are 'safe ' - the only way tehya re going to do anything different than they are doing is to let them know those set as are UNSAFE if they continue on their present course
anti-war activists here in Sacramento have held a peaceful, daily protest - occupying Doris Matsui's office - for two months now - she doesn't even feel obligated to respond to their questions
labor laws, civil rights, social security weren't given by Democrats - they were demanded from them - there's two articles up now at New Left Review that are highly rec'd: Mike Davis "The Democrats After Nov" & Robert Brenner's "Structure vs. Conjuncture" which sketches the rightward trend in this country since Reagan:
. . . The Democrats will no doubt evince a bit more sound, if not much fury in the run-up to the next election. But even if they go on to win in 2008, what we are surely in for, in the absence of a major revitalization of mass movements, is Clinton Redux—conceivably under Clinton ii. In other words, a continuation of the long-term slide to the right, at perhaps a slightly slower pace than under the Republicans.
A political opening? The fact that the Democrats have remained contenders essentially by playing the Republicans’ game raises the ultimate political conundrum. Between 2001 and 2006, real wages have been flat. Between 2000 and 2004—the last available data—median family income actually fell by between 2 and 3 per cent. Employment growth has been the slowest since World War II. There has been a big drop-off in employers’ willingness to continue to pay for health-care insurance or to honour pensions, along with exacerbated inequalities in the distribution of wealth. In other words, the gap between the material aspirations of the population and what the bipartisan merry-go-round is prepared to provide has reached historic proportions for the post-World War II epoch. Why has the widely bruited new populism failed to become more pronounced?
Arcturus: Yes, I know. America has the bittersweet distinction of having granted white male suffrage prior to the organization of the working class, resulting in a "left" party whose only prospects of government in most European systems would be coalition from the right. In other words, we have no leftist party.
I'd like to do my small part to move the DP to the left, which requires primaries, but I can't wait for the next Great Depression to give us the power to pull policy in our direction. I believe the only satisfactory way out of the current Gordian knot is true public finance reform (not just the half-assed but better than nothing measures of AZ, ME, etc.), which would immediately shift both parties to the left. Until then, I can't, like some well-meaning people, really support third parites because I'm one of those damned "majoritarian system" prognosticators.
I suppose this may leave me without a blog, which is fine. I will continue to read and enjoy MBM and Marisacat without pulling a DB and hijacking threads with demands to be heard, and I will continue to do my small and rather pointless part at DK, which, admittedly, is more about mere online political interaction than anything.
I appreciate the invite. Let it be know, though, that I was a kool-aid drinker until farily recently. Started off galvanized by opposition to Bush and was perhaps unduly dazzled by the existence of an interactive site poised in opposition. Bought in to the DK community; ignored its centrism out of the belief that anything was better than the SQ. And I still think most of the people there are good people; even after I "turned" I dug BTD's late shift to strident war opposition, though his corrosive posting habits were only fed by his extreme overestimation of DK's power. And I have no knowledge whatsover of DK's pre-Scoop leftist roots, which deprives me of perspective.
Anyway, I like what you guys do, so I'll just be going along for the ride and posting where I see fit. I have no feminist cred whatsoever, so I won't be posting at MCat even given an invite, but I thank that community for helping me with my rejection of the kool-aid.
Tipsy, welcome to MB. I thought about the random revolving dkos blogroll myself and how to highlight some real (read forbidden) honest political info. It's a small subversive act, but I have to believe that Catnip is right about dkos figuring out that glitch pretty quickly. Have to agree also with Arcturus' hot air (empty) comment. And why the worry about not getting any traction at dkos wrt Marisacat's ideas? Do you believe that orange is really working to stop the war? Witness the banning od A/BTD this past week because he began aggressively pushing defunding, the right thing to do, all his abusive tendencies aside. Is that what you mean by ending up without a blog? Because you risk banning? Not that I've ever stuck my neck out there. I find them a waste of time all around. Just curious.
My take on 3rd parties is that our political system is dead, unless you like endless war, until we get real choices. But I'm not naive enough to believe that any outside challengers will find success anytime soon. The power is too entrenced. I actually capitulated my principles and crossed over to vote for Kerry in 04 and some congressional democrats in 06 because I allowed them one more try and benefit of the doubt that they would do what they were mandated to do, even though my district, NY 01, didn't have any vulnerable dems, splitting my votes for them with Greens for Gov and other state and local positions. But once again I've wasted my votes on do nothing dems and believed the BBB's when they made assurances about the liberal creds of people like Murphy. Never again. I'm going back to my feeling, like Madman in the Marketplace, that the only thing that will finally force change in this country is a brutal reckoning and comeuppance for our crimes and the capitulation and aquiessence of the democrats in failing to mount any kind of opposition, by witholding my vote from them. At this point it is the only thing that might make them finally understand that they staring down a party extiction level event and their cowardice and corruption will no longer be tolerated. Not by this man, anyway. if something better, that has functional ears, rises from the ashes then maybe there will be enough pieces left to build something new. And if not, so be it. This path we're on, and continuing to endorse quitters and collaborators will bring us to an unpleasant end anyway. Better to do it sooner rather than later.
And I consider myself a pretty middle of the road person.
Supersoling: Well, see, this is why I have no blog. I'm actually so cynical that I'll never exercise the option of abstention, because I believe it to be even more pointless than voting for centrist Dems. At least we might get some heat on lenders out of it (albeit from the same reps who problematized bankruptcy). You can begin to see why I'm a still a member of DK, I suppose, but that's just how I feel.
As for banning and my stance toward the Orange - too many late night "Who are the greatest cinematic villains of all time" diaries, I suppose. I just feel like too much of an asshole to turn on these people I had good conversations with like they were my blood rivals, you know. But post-Nov-2006 has shown quite clearly who was right and who wasn't. The thing is that, for most of the Kossacks, the endgame is still to the right of my beginning. And for the other great Kossacks like NYCeve, their proposals will be accepted and backburnered ad infinitum.
68 comments:
An open thread is a terrible thing to waste.
Now this is comical. BooMan , on his FP is advocating this guy doesn't go to jail for weapons sales because he went to high school with him? See, he really does think the rules should apply to everyone else but his friends. People are still listening to this guy? Lots of commenters took him to task for it though.
How does one post a flippin link over here? Sorry, when in the comment section I cannot get the copy/paste funtion to work. How come?
The title is "Bad News".
Get a life. God, it's like that imsessant little nat in a room that you just can't seem to swat away. Go hug your wife or something.
DB is married to a series of tubes. Awkward to hug, Methinks.
Huh, ms xeno?
I have deleted a comment which I regarded as sexual harassment of another commenter.
Sorry, canberra boy. Just one of my li'l jokes.
Nice to meet you, BTW. Don't think we've been formerly introduced...
Seems there are some folks who, no matter what room they wander into, are driven by a compulsion to say or to do something that just screams "HEY!! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME "PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"
It's like some folks need to make everything "about them" as much as possible, whatever it takes.
Frankly, DB, that's what your behaviors here look like to me, as someone who has little to no knowledge of you before meeting you here.
Or are you just a shit-stirrer by choice because it's fun?
scribe, you'll enhance the often-elusive "fun" element of King Davy's operatic contortions if you employ such handy tools as this one.
"Veeet... ves thet ell joost un ixcoose-a tu geg sumeune-a yuoo ell deedn't leeke-a? Veell ununymuoos cumments etteckeeng zee ooootseeder insteed ooff etteckeeng zee inner curcle-a be-a velcumed insteed ooff beeeng bunned?"
See what I mean ?
Now this is what makes the internet great !
"Here-a I EM und it's ell ebuoot ME ME ME!"
(Hey, thats fun!)
Shurter Svedeesher DB: I vunt tu be-a a blug vrecker, tuu. Ooh pleese-a pleese-a let me-a be-a a blug vrecker.
Bork Bork Bork!
Pleased to meet you (ms xeno), hope ya know my name...
Sorry... I missed the Rolling Stones tour in 1973 when they were at the height of their abilities. I finally got to see them in 2003.
Scribe, for some strange reason the word 'sociopath' has been bouncing around in my head: then I found this.
Oh, and thanks... now I understand where the intertubes came from.
Hi canberra boy! Please check your e-mail. Thanks.
Since this is an "open" thread, I guess I should be open about something. Hmmm...let's see. Okay. I know. I find peeps fascinating. Caution: that site has pics of peep torture. Save the peeps!
In my practice as a psych nurse, the patients with that that diagnoses were the ones we dreaded getting the most. Tough, very tough to work with, as the capacity for compassion and empathy for others is usually just not there, and there is little to no fear of the consequences of any of their own behaviors. But not everyone who acts that way at times is truly a sociopath either..
Hey DB, gotta hand it to you you are a pretty skilled "baiter" aren't you?! Catch much lately?
DB, it would help your case if you didn't lie. You had one post deleted because it crossed the line into sexual fantasies that you obviously can't help expressing. Other than that your hyperbole and nonsense still stands in the comments.
Try again (which we know you will 'cause you just can't help yourself and looooove the sound of your own keyboard evidently).
DB writes: "But then if you'd done that you might have known the truth; better to just slag me off like everyone else. Safer."
The truth is, DB, I am not ready to "slag you off". I do my best to make up my own mind about people I meet, based on one my own observations/interactions with them, not other peoples. Anything you are hearing from me is based on what I see of you here. (at least thats what I am aiming for anyway.) You seem to have attained perfection (in you own mind,) but I know am still a work in process and can be wrong sometimes, which bothers me not at all.
Plus, I wasn't even involved in any of the history between you and others here so am not interested in it.
So! If you want to stop with the snide insults toward me, or me as a feminist, and have a real conversation, I'll be happy to stop insulting you and judging your stance as misogynist until you show it to be so in your interactions with me. You interested in that?
(Going off line till later today)
I need rescuing? Okay. Catnip, please save me from typing online... you're my only hope Obi Won.
And who is this "him" you speak of -- is there another spiderleaf posting here?
Leezy - you are so right...
Now this is comical. BooMan , on his FP is advocating this guy doesn't go to jail for weapons sales because he went to high school with him? See, he really does think the rules should apply to everyone else but his friends.
And when someone asked "Why should we care again?" (or something along those lines), his response was "Because he's my friend". Sooooo, by that logic, if he went to school with Scooter Libby we should be hoping for a pardon?
What a tool.
Oh and DB, BooMan admits today he did ban hrh, aka supervixen. Got any more bullshit to spew?
Spidey...I am so flabbergasted by what he writes at times. I have been banned(after asking for my account to be removed which he refuses to do because it is too much work)but it took three days to talk MilitaryTracy into leaving and her asking him to remove her posting abilities so she wouldn't be tempted to post. He claims he banned me because I said he was wrong. He claims I publicly called him a liar on Dkos. I NEVER did that. I could give two shits about being banned. It's just the fucking hypocrisy of it all. What a bunch of crap.
Now, on his frontpage he writes aboutanother one of his poor psycho friends being misunderstood by the police. He hopes his friend doesn't go to jail for having weapons hidden in false bottom spaces in his car? Am I missing something? Bad News? For whom? Not the public that is for sure. Lock the guy up and throw away the key. And his girlfriend is all freaked out because she thinks someone is stalking him? Look who his friends are for cripes sake. End of rant.
He banned supervixen (you aren't able to post = banned). She was subsequently posting as hrh.
Go find your own links, it ain't hard and i'm not your secretary.
It's the DOJ thread and he admits he banned her for a short while because he was feeling "peevish"? WTF? This guys traffic is going downhill fast. Look at the meter. Hasn't been over 5000 in awhile now. pretty soon it will be Martin and his girlfriend CG. What a joke.
Put on your hip waders folks. It's getting deep in here.
LOL this thread has become the DB Meta Lounge.
He is like Typhoid Mary... viral.
Hip waders?! I'm installing windshield wipers on my eyelids, it's gotten so deep LOL!
Typhoid Mary had an actual job. I'm sure she would for that reason alone resent the association.
Shame on you, Mcat.
canberra boy wrote:
Pleased to meet you (ms xeno), hope ya know my name...
I was this close to quoting Midnight Oil's "Surfing With A Spoon," just because it was the first Australia-related thought that popped into my aging brain. Then I looked up Canberra and saw that it was inland. :o
So never mind. [passes around box of little Cherry Ripe bars]
davidbyron said...
Scribe: ok we have a deal then.
"I'll be happy to stop insulting you and judging your stance as misogynist until you show it to be so in your interactions with me. You interested in that?"
They call me a misogynist to shut down my criticism of feminism as anti-liberal. It's the same way Zionists tend to throw around accusations of anti-semitism.
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Robin's attempt to say women's lives are in danger from a ban on abortion is silly. They are only in danger if women choose to break the law and attempt to kill a human (from the perspective of the pro-lifers). You should be only as sympathetic to such a woman as to a man in the present day who takes a baseball bat to his unborn child's mother's stomach in an attempt to induce an illegal abortion.
And although I am sympathetic to such a man -- since he lacks any power over his own life and his only possible way to prevent becoming a parent is assault -- I doubt many feminists would have sympathy for the "backstreet abortions" that their own policies have forced into existence.
Posted by: DavidByron | August 30, 2005 at 08:49 PM
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Typical David Byron screed, excuse me... critique, from here.
DavidByron said...
Uhuh. 'Mudge you posted this before but yuou couldn't say what exactly about it is incorrect as an analysis. You are displaying authoritarian irrationality.
No. I haven't. You are displaying poor reading comprehension.
David, Just go away. Most of us have sympathy for your psychiatric condition and lack of social skills, but we're tired of you.
As my parents used to say in my gradeschool violin lesson days: "Can you play 'Far Far Away'?"
DB,
Still your reading skills fail you! You claimed I'd posted this before. I have not. You misread it. You want to back up and try that again?
I have never posted it before, nor attempted comment. And yes I think the contempt for women exhibited in that rant is self-evident.
No DB. I have no interest in your parlor games. I just dropped by to set the record straight. Outta here.
You guys...
What thehell happened to the IGNORE tactic? You keep responding to this asswipe, he will keep fucking TYPING.
If you ignore him, EVENTUALLY, he goes away. Honest.
Just Do. Not. Respond.
I know it's hard. I know, I know. Believe me, I know. But it's the only way, short of banning. I banned the fucksnot. HAD to. You guys don't ban -- swell -- but whoa, you're going to encourage these diatribes?
Bleargh. Typhoid DB is right.
Morning MaryScott. I missed your Fox stint last night. Is it up somewhere to listen to now?
DB is a nat that no matter how hard we swat he just doesn't go away. You are right. Ignore the mother fucker.
DB I've just been reading along, interested in trying to discern for myself, what it is you are trying to accomplish here and I can't quite figure it out. I see you don't seem to care for authoritarian thought or behaviors. Yet I read your own words and see:
"I have to hold SV to a high standard because I associate with her politically. Do you understand?
I could say "I only do it from love" but that's not a very good way of putting it. I criticize most those who I have the highest expectations from."
That sounds pretty authoritarian to me! in fact if I didn't know better, I'd think DB was God himself, who had signed onto Mo Betta to judge us all and make mighty pronouncements from on high!
So I ask you: since you seem quite aware that your communication style has not exactly won you lots of friends and followers, :)..what is your actual motive for coming over here and posting? (Rather than assume I know, I am asking you directly.)
scribe:
...what is your actual motive for coming over here and posting?...
It's like that old X-men story arc with Illyana and the demon Belasco. Every time DB gets banned from another space, a mystical bloodstone is added to the collection in his magikal locket. Once he collects enough of them, he "ascends to a glorious destiny," and world rule. I think Satan throws in a set of dishes and a generous 401K, too. Somewhere in the fine print.
scribe said...
DB I've just been reading along, interested in trying to discern for myself, what it is you are trying to accomplish here and I can't quite figure it out.
Actually scribe, I think I have a handle on it. He needs negative attention from powerful women; craves it in fact.
I suggested that he go find a professional dominatrix instead, because blogging doesn't pay me enough to verbally abuse him to his satisfaction. He came over here instead. Lots of powerful women here to tell him he's been a bad, bad, boy.
His internet history is awash with his disruptions of feminist and feminist leading boards. Notice how needs to paint us all as authoritarian. That way he can picture us in black leather snapping a riding crop. It's his little fantasy life and he doesn't want to have to pay for it.
aloha -- I went well, I think. The podcast is not up yet -- we have a bad audio version, not sure if it can be improved.
Ok. I read all of that twice, and I still don't have a clear answer (that "I" can understand anyway,) to my simple, honest question: what ARE your motives for posting here? I've heard a lot about what others think it is, and I hear you saying what you think is wrong with this place and all of us..but I still don't know..from YOU, DB... why you are choosing to post here. (If you asked ME that question, I could answer it pretty simply and I would.) I am honestly curious to know yours.
Ladies & gentlemen, a Motive magically appears:
And thus ends yet another post all about me me me.
anxiously awaiting your next missive, db
well...SHIT!! ! Had a long one all written and then,somehow it disappeared. damn. And now I have to go tend to some 3d matters and have no time to rewrite the whole thing. (It takes me awhile to write anyway as I have some nerve damage in my hands) I'll get back to this later..altho perhaps this conversation should be taken to emial so as to not take up so much space here?
NOBODY surpasses Ductape IMO. He is one of a kind in my experience.
Ok. The "glo" was because I signed up for the google account thing to get rid of having to do those stupid word things, and technodunce that I am, it took me awhile to figure out how to get my own name off there. The eyes were fixed by cataract surgery, thank for asking:) I used to write at dkos and after that, at BooTrib and a variety of other sites, intermittently.
I enjoy responding to topics that interest me, and writing my own stories (most from life experiences and learnings) when and if I feel like it, but do not wish to be obligated to any schedule or external obligation to write for anyone. Plus I have no interest in becoming a well known "name" anyway. I just enjoy interacting with interesting folks of all generations on line and writing for the simple joy of it: a sort of an old itinerant storyteller who is fascinated with human beings of all kinds, how and why we are as we are, and how we can keep from wanting to kill each other.
I also firmly believe, because of the proof of it I've seen over and over, that most of the conflict and misunderstanding between human beings is due to an inability to truly communicate with each other, and that with effort, (and a lot of it,) this can be learned to the benefit of all concerned, **IF a degree of shared willingness is present. Its just not all that hard: less "talk and less worship of relentless rational "logic", and more listening from some place of truly wanting to understand each other better. Note: I said "understand," not necessarily "agree." (Which people who are stuck in a black and white, right or wrong style of dualistic thought processing are just are no good at at all.)
For example, you and me. On the surface of it all, there's no chance in HELL you and I could ever learn how to communicate effectively, much LESS ever, ever come to like each other! It is in fact, very rare for me to engage in conversation with any man (or woman) who "comes across" as you do in communication style and comments about women in general From my experience, it is usually a waste of my energy. But my intuition tells me there is more to you than meets the eye and I trust my intuitive process more and more, the older I get. Time will tell. :)Thank you for the other positive feedback. More later when I can get back online..regarding that lost response.
Well, I'll say one thing: no one has ever said this place was dull! :)
I didn't know about that amulet collection angle, ms xeno. That's quite intriguing. I imagine usenet's infamous Meow Brigade must be well stocked with such jewellery. They are, after all, masters in the art of trolling.
I think Satan throws in a set of dishes and a generous 401K, too. Somewhere in the fine print.
That obviously proves that Satan is an American.
I see tipsymcstagger has added MBM to his/her personal blogroll over at dkos, describing the site as:
Mobetta Meta - Harsh indy perspective on big blogs
Thanks for the link, tipsy!
No problem catnip.
Looks like my diary today about primarying the Blue Dogs has ruffled some feathers.
Hope no one minds too much my description of Marisacat's blog in same blogroll. It is intended in a spirit of jocular tribute.
What's funny is that, if the "10 Random User Blogroll links" is truly "random", eventually both MBM and Marisacat will be front-page blogrolled on the Big Orange.
Looks like my diary today about primarying the Blue Dogs has ruffled some feathers.
No surprise there. I don't know why anyone who claims to be a lefty defends them. Then again, those who do aren't lefties at all.
What's funny is that, if the "10 Random User Blogroll links" is truly "random", eventually both MBM and Marisacat will be front-page blogrolled on the Big Orange.
I hadn't thought of that, you subversive, you! I wonder how long it will take the powers that be to address that "glitch". ;)
LOL McSwagger
I am much more interested in how fast you caved on Patrick Murphy. Who is not just a Blue Dog but also a New Dem... you know: with Tauscher and Artur Davis.. and so on.
Bowers at Mydd sold him hard, as did Martin at BMT... they swore LOL they all knew him, he was buds with them all, first name basis with Philly Bloggers... worked with Adam B, etc. Then they play shocked he is a blue dog. Then say it does not matter. He is not "really" one. Jsut does that for political cover.
For years they told us, [laugh now] that only Philadelphia and inner burbs could handle a progressive... and where does PM hail from... [laugh again, Phildelphia voting district]
Murphy can b a r e l y get himself to call the war "flawed". Recent Countdown appearance. Would never never never vote to defund, nor vote for much that would not fly well in Alabama.
I have decided most rank and file Dems, online with some rote google skills (I consider myself a lousy googler), WANT to be taken in... and vote for the deluge. Which by the way is a deluge of blood.
it's a pity the Boyz are fakes.
Marisacat:
I could have written a diary about centrist Dems in general, in which case the list would have been much longer. But it was about the war in Iraq, and, particularly, about the Blue Dogs who have managed to block even the conciliatory "hard benchlines" legislation. So, provided with evidence that Murphy supported this legislation, I removed his name from the list.
Well I ahve to laugh again.
I was and am talking about PM and the war.
If you have not caught it, watch the Obey hallway encounter. By Monday the transcript from the military mother's appearance on Tweety will be avaiable.
She is very clear, from her many hours on the Hill, the Dems are only really worried about 08, they do not get behind defunding the war and thus CANNOT get the votes. What you do not fight for, you will not get. And that Obey pelosi and others are "hushing people up" and mouthing R talking points.
I will be posting it Monday.
That fluff and nonsense bill with Obama and Murphy and etc., is war weary window dressing in order to do exactly what Adam B did.... slap down the hinterlands, should they dare to chirp..
And nothing more.
No wonder Adam B wants to do Dem party retail online whip work / political work. It is so easy.
Marisacat:
Well, if I go back to my diary and explain to everyone how Murphy, on the one hand, is reluctant to even deem the war "flawed" and, on the other hand, has co-sponsored legislation that would be even more effective than the August '08 measures that are being bandied about, the contradiction will quickly be torn to shreds. You have to understand that the diary comes from a position of wanting the troops out now, but grasping for even the slightest indication that the Dems are interested in withdrawal before the next election. It is the fact that even this mildest of measures is being blocked that has provided the opening for the turning of even loyalist mindsets, and your argument would provide me scant traction at DK. Not that I really think any minds were turned by my efforts.
mcat,
MSNBC has the video of Tina Richards posted.
tipsy, I'm allergic to orange, so haven't read yr diary - but that won't sto me from trhowing in my $0.02
at some point one has to realize that grasping for even the slightest indication leaves one w/ nothing but hot air in hand - how many dunes does one have to climb to realize that the lovely oasis oe'r yonder is but another mirage?
these propsals aim to reduce US casualties (hopefully) & troop #'s, all the while CONTINUING THE WAR base closures anyone? don't hold yr breath . . .
their line is: the bluedawgs are in vulnerable districts; the liburals are 'safe ' - the only way tehya re going to do anything different than they are doing is to let them know those set as are UNSAFE if they continue on their present course
anti-war activists here in Sacramento have held a peaceful, daily protest - occupying Doris Matsui's office - for two months now - she doesn't even feel obligated to respond to their questions
labor laws, civil rights, social security weren't given by Democrats - they were demanded from them - there's two articles up now at New Left Review that are highly rec'd: Mike Davis "The Democrats After Nov" & Robert Brenner's "Structure vs. Conjuncture" which sketches the rightward trend in this country since Reagan:
. . . The Democrats will no doubt evince a bit more sound, if not much fury in the run-up to the next election. But even if they go on to win in 2008, what we are surely in for, in the absence of a major revitalization of mass movements, is Clinton Redux—conceivably under Clinton ii. In other words, a continuation of the long-term slide to the right, at perhaps a slightly slower pace than under the Republicans.
A political opening?
The fact that the Democrats have remained contenders essentially by playing the Republicans’ game raises the ultimate political conundrum. Between 2001 and 2006, real wages have been flat. Between 2000 and 2004—the last available data—median family income actually fell by between 2 and 3 per cent. Employment growth has been the slowest since World War II. There has been a big drop-off in employers’ willingness to continue to pay for health-care insurance or to honour pensions, along with exacerbated inequalities in the distribution of wealth. In other words, the gap between the material aspirations of the population and what the bipartisan merry-go-round is prepared to provide has reached historic proportions for the post-World War II epoch. Why has the widely bruited new populism failed to become more pronounced?
Arcturus:
Yes, I know. America has the bittersweet distinction of having granted white male suffrage prior to the organization of the working class, resulting in a "left" party whose only prospects of government in most European systems would be coalition from the right. In other words, we have no leftist party.
I'd like to do my small part to move the DP to the left, which requires primaries, but I can't wait for the next Great Depression to give us the power to pull policy in our direction. I believe the only satisfactory way out of the current Gordian knot is true public finance reform (not just the half-assed but better than nothing measures of AZ, ME, etc.), which would immediately shift both parties to the left. Until then, I can't, like some well-meaning people, really support third parites because I'm one of those damned "majoritarian system" prognosticators.
I suppose this may leave me without a blog, which is fine. I will continue to read and enjoy MBM and Marisacat without pulling a DB and hijacking threads with demands to be heard, and I will continue to do my small and rather pointless part at DK, which, admittedly, is more about mere online political interaction than anything.
you're more than welcome to continue posting here, tipsy (I'd almost say one can't hijack an open thread, but, well, see above . . .)
light a fire under those chairs
make them F E A R for their seats
I'd like to second what arcturus said. Please feel free to post here tipsy!
Btw, our threads tend to go in many different directions, regardless of the posts they're attached to. :)
Thanks Arcturus and Catnip,
I appreciate the invite. Let it be know, though, that I was a kool-aid drinker until farily recently. Started off galvanized by opposition to Bush and was perhaps unduly dazzled by the existence of an interactive site poised in opposition. Bought in to the DK community; ignored its centrism out of the belief that anything was better than the SQ. And I still think most of the people there are good people; even after I "turned" I dug BTD's late shift to strident war opposition, though his corrosive posting habits were only fed by his extreme overestimation of DK's power. And I have no knowledge whatsover of DK's pre-Scoop leftist roots, which deprives me of perspective.
Anyway, I like what you guys do, so I'll just be going along for the ride and posting where I see fit. I have no feminist cred whatsoever, so I won't be posting at MCat even given an invite, but I thank that community for helping me with my rejection of the kool-aid.
Tipsy,
welcome to MB. I thought about the random revolving dkos blogroll myself and how to highlight some real (read forbidden) honest political info. It's a small subversive act, but I have to believe that Catnip is right about dkos figuring out that glitch pretty quickly. Have to agree also with Arcturus' hot air (empty) comment. And why the worry about not getting any traction at dkos wrt Marisacat's ideas? Do you believe that orange is really working to stop the war? Witness the banning od A/BTD this past week because he began aggressively pushing defunding, the right thing to do, all his abusive tendencies aside. Is that what you mean by ending up without a blog? Because you risk banning? Not that I've ever stuck my neck out there. I find them a waste of time all around. Just curious.
My take on 3rd parties is that our political system is dead, unless you like endless war, until we get real choices. But I'm not naive enough to believe that any outside challengers will find success anytime soon. The power is too entrenced. I actually capitulated my principles and crossed over to vote for Kerry in 04 and some congressional democrats in 06 because I allowed them one more try and benefit of the doubt that they would do what they were mandated to do, even though my district, NY 01, didn't have any vulnerable dems, splitting my votes for them with Greens for Gov and other state and local positions. But once again I've wasted my votes on do nothing dems and believed the BBB's when they made assurances about the liberal creds of people like Murphy. Never again. I'm going back to my feeling, like Madman in the Marketplace, that the only thing that will finally force change in this country is a brutal reckoning and comeuppance for our crimes and the capitulation and aquiessence of the democrats in failing to mount any kind of opposition, by witholding my vote from them. At this point it is the only thing that might make them finally understand that they staring down a party extiction level event and their cowardice and corruption will no longer be tolerated. Not by this man, anyway. if something better, that has functional ears, rises from the ashes then maybe there will be enough pieces left to build something new. And if not, so be it. This path we're on, and continuing to endorse quitters and collaborators will bring us to an unpleasant end anyway. Better to do it sooner rather than later.
And I consider myself a pretty middle of the road person.
Supersoling:
Well, see, this is why I have no blog. I'm actually so cynical that I'll never exercise the option of abstention, because I believe it to be even more pointless than voting for centrist Dems. At least we might get some heat on lenders out of it (albeit from the same reps who problematized bankruptcy). You can begin to see why I'm a still a member of DK, I suppose, but that's just how I feel.
As for banning and my stance toward the Orange - too many late night "Who are the greatest cinematic villains of all time" diaries, I suppose. I just feel like too much of an asshole to turn on these people I had good conversations with like they were my blood rivals, you know. But post-Nov-2006 has shown quite clearly who was right and who wasn't. The thing is that, for most of the Kossacks, the endgame is still to the right of my beginning. And for the other great Kossacks like NYCeve, their proposals will be accepted and backburnered ad infinitum.
Is it only anarchists that can post here?
Is it only anarchists that can post here?
Yes.
Oh wait. I thought that said antichrists. Sorry.
Test. Yes, only anarchists. In day, we pretend to be lawful good. But at night, under peer pressure, we are neutral chaotic.
neutral chaotic
Good name for a band...or a blog...or a cat.
catnip:
...That obviously proves that Satan is an American...
Well, he has to be. Since Jeebus already is.
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